Editorial Banter
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TB Cave 1215923930|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hey Mark, about that addition of "thermodynamic" in the quarks page. Strictly speaking, we haven't defined thermodyamic sensations, just thermodynamic seeds. But maybe we should? It could go on the pairs page.

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TB Cave 1216178360|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

It's okay, I did it. I put the definition on the categorization page

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TB Cave 1219688024|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

The section on the mathematical description of quarks is more or less finished.

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Anonymous (207.216.175.x) 1222645505|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

The glossary and symbol list are up-to-date for the Properties of Compound Quarks section.

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TB Cave 1222923371|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

The section on thermodynamics is now up-to-date.

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TB Cave 1226006497|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Many thanks to Derek Dunlop for some great new photos! To see more of his work, click here.

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TB Cave 1226006677|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Whoops … to see more of his work, click here

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TB Cave 1228796045|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Finished a clean-up and big reorganization of all pages before dynamics.

Fighting font anarchy!
Here's the current plan: symbols for particles in upright san-serif fonts. Symbols for numbers in slanted serified fonts. Sounds simple eh?

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TB Cave 1232664261|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

January progress: logical connection from Anaxagoras to Newton sketched out. I'm tempted to push into a discussion of gravity, but better pause to firm-up the treatment of the electron & proton.

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TB Cave 1233405024|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hey look. Only took me 249 days to get rid of the evil side bar. Do you like it?

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Anonymous (guest) 1233406445|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Test for anonymous comments

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TB Cave 1236012213|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

February progress: work on the proton and electron is coming along. Now working on discussion of Euclidean space to develop mechanical models for particles objectifed from closed orbits.

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Hey Sati … great new look at Live Music Vancouver!
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TB Cave 1242776807|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Good to be back at wiki work after some ill health.

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TB Cave 1245723733|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Olá e bem-vindo ao Edson!

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Mark Lovewell 1246804934|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hi Tom,

Is the second acoustic icon (the long o) missing from the page where it the icons are first introduced? It's not showing up on my screen!

M.

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TB Cave 1246899664|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Thank you for pointing out this problem. It arises from differences between the Internet Explorer and the Firefox browsers. I'm appalled to find an entire icon dissappearing! So, I'll get to work on it ASAP.

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Mark Lovewell 1246805147|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Also, why aren't the thermal visual pairings included on the page where the other two sets of pairings are introduced? I'm sure there's a reason. It's just not clear to me from the explanation…

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TB Cave 1246901223|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Oh! What a good question. Well a short answer is because we consider thermal/visual pairings later between more complex particles. And the reason why is: just because it works. But to put your question a bit differently; why does it work? Why is it that we can represent the data most clearly by considering acoustic sensations first?

I think this is because we perceive acoustic information in a much more finely-grained way than visual or thermal sensations. We can hear sounds that vibrate at up to about 20,000 times per second. But visual sensations begin to smear-out if they change faster than about 100 times per second. I think that televisions refresh their images about 30 times per second, and this is sufficient for most of us to perceive smooth, continuous motion. Thermal sensations are even coarser. So, my guess is that describing big chunky thermal and visual sensations against a minutely detailed background of acoustic distinctions just automatically gives us a more flexible and accurate descriptive method.

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Mark Lovewell 1246902587|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Many thanks for that clarification. That explains why linking thermal and visual sensations first with acoustic sensations makes sense as a first order foundation. I must say, though, that I'm still having trouble seeing the reasoning behind the pairing of Anaxagorean sensations. From a presentation point of view, the way these connections are introduced seems arbitrary. The main question I'm left with after finishing the wikimechanics pages that are already posted is the following: What do the model's elementary sensations have to do with the seeds, quarks and particles they define. For a physics neophyte like myself, the easiest way to think of it intuitively is in functional terms — the sensations appear to allow for a priori definitions of concepts like time and earth-based chronology (e.g. through visual sensations related to diurnal and nocturnal), lateral imbalances and electric charges (e.g through aural distinctions between left and right), and mass (e.g. through thermal distinctions between hot and cold). Is such an "instrumental" interpretation of the usefulness of sensations at the base of this model legitimate in any way?

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TB Cave 1247202109|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Yes I agree that the Anaxagorean pairs need to be moved. I've taken them out of the green-arrow flow of presentation, and tucked them in behind the quarks. Let's see if that's better. I'll try to get back to the rest of your comment tomorrow.

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TB Cave 1247324954|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Okay. Now about the second part of your comment. It seems to me that you are reaching for some kind of introductory overview. And I agree that a brief outline is much needed to put some direction and motivation in the discussion. Thank you for taking a crack at it. I think your interpretation is perfectly "legitimate", but I'd place the emphasis somewhat differently. Let's bounce it back and forth here in the forum for a while, and then make a new page, perhaps to go in right after Events. Now here's my try…

WikiMechanics is empirical, as good science should be: we start from sensations and observations. Some simple common experiences are used to define little particles called seeds. Seeds are combined to define larger particles like quarks, protons, atoms and molecules. Seeds are also counted and used to define a bunch of other numbers that are the usual fare of physics; charge, mass, time, postition, etc. In this way we see theoretical physics as an explicit description of sensation. The whole effort is justifed because it; 1) accurately states mass and lifetime data in simple formulae that hopefully makes them more accessible to engineers, and 2) clarifies the origins of physics by puting ideas in a well-defined, logically ordered structure that can be experimentally tested and easily taught.

Whew, that's enough for me for now. I've got a toothache and my dentist is on holidays. Ugh!

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Mark Lovewell 1247669619|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Yes, I can see the overarching logic of the movement from sensations through to seeds, larger particles such as quarks, and then the usual building blocks of physics. Where I get stuck is in the details (the "mechanics of wikimechanics" as it were) in the logical movement from "sensation" adjectives to "particle" nouns. And it so happens that at this point in the narrative things are presently running at an extremely fast and lapidary clip. For me, the key page (which at the moment can be found only by clicking on the heading in the outline) is the one entitled Pairs of Sensation. This, to me, seems to be the key point where the shift from epistemological adjective to noun takes place. But there is as yet no text specifically linked to this page to give an intuitive commentary. I think such a commentary right at that point would be very useful, to cement in layperson's terms the argument up to that point…

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TB Cave 1247774038|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Okay, I have included the presentation of pairs of Anaxagorean sensations in the same page as the Quarks. Hopefully this will make the connection between them clearer. Thanks for your comments. It's always somewhat confusing with this adjective/noun thing because there is never really a clean break between them. Almost as soon as we define some particle, we start bringing more adjectives into the discussion to describe it in further detail.

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TB Cave 1252600055|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

And lately I've been fleshing out the discussion of events/sensations/particles with some examples. There is a new introductory summary page for particles. And Hume's page on particles has been expanded a bit too. Thanks again for your comments. Anytime that you, or anyone else, finds something difficult, please make a note of it here in the forum so that hopefully we can do it better.

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TB Cave 1253677896|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Here's a great line from the Wikipedia vision statement. They are aiming for …

a world in which every single person can freely share in the sum of all human knowledge

Sounds good to me.

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TB Cave 1256621958|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Okay, the section on nuclear particles is more or less finished.

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TB Cave 1263443484|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Hello 2010 … just a grind'n through the discussion of time …

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TB Cave 1272584084|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Well the construction signs for the section about time are taken down. Just in time for May day. And now the leak in the kitchen roof will assume top posting on my list of things to do.

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TB Cave 1278537320|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover

Roof repairs finished, back to wiki work.

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